09SAOPAULO619: Sao Paulo Opinion Split on Honduras

More leaks appearing over the past few days. Here's the link for the Honduras (HO) tag: http://213.251.145.96/tag/HO_0.html

Several of the recently-released cables relate to Zelaya's presence in the Brazilian embassy.
I found 09SAOPAULO619 interesting, as it is a sort of attempt to get at the zeitgeist in Brazil...the "strategic culture" if you will. Click on the above link for the properly formatted version. See my highlights below:

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SUBJECT: Sao Paulo Opinion Split on Honduras REF: BRASILIA 1210; (08) SAO PAULO 497 SAO PAULO 00000619 001.5 OF 002 CLASSIFIED BY: David C. Brooks, State, State, POL; REASON: 1.4(D)

¶1. (C) Summary: Sao Paulo pundits and politicos are strongly split on Brazilbs role in Honduras. Mainstream academic experts in this generally pro-PSDB state criticized Brazilbs shielding of Zelaya as adventurist, counter-productive and contradictory of the countrybs traditional policy of non-intervention. Workers Party (PT) contacts, in contrast, strongly defended the Lula governmentbs decision to shelter Zelaya. They argue that permitting Zelayabs overthrow to go unchallenged would have a domino effect, putting at risk other left-oriented regimes in El Salvador and Guatemala and thereby endangering the PTbs bsocial democraticb (i.e. non-Chavez) vision for Latin America. Evidently, at least some in the PT ranks now see democratically-elected, left-oriented Central American regimes as junior allies to be protected. End Summary.

¶2. (SBU) This cable resulted from a wide range of interviews with foreign policy experts and Workers Party (PT) contacts, including: University of Sao Paulo Professor Jose Augusto Guilhon de Abuquerque; Felipe DbAvila and Rogerio Schmitt of the Center for Leadership Training; Professors Marcus Freitas and Gunther Rudzit of the Armando Alvares Penteado Foundation (FAAP); General Alberto Santos Cruz of the Brazilian Army; PT founder and Sao Paulo City Council member Jose Americo; and PT State Deputy Rui Falcao. The Critics: Brazil is Dancing to Chavezb Tune

¶3. (C) All the critics (Albuquerque, DbAvila, Schmitt, Freitas, Rudzit and Santos Cruz) thought that Hugo Chavez had set the agenda for Brazil in Honduras. Most believed that Zelayabs September 23 appearance at the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa had taken the GOB by surprise. Moreover, they viewed Zelayabs subsequent use of the Embassy as a base of operation to provoke demonstrations in his favor as contradicting Brazilbs longstanding policy of non-intervention. This also completely undercut the GOBbs credibility as a mediator, leaving Brazil with less flexibility, they concluded. A Slide Into Greater Intervention

¶4. (SBU) Professor Albuquerque was more subtle than most critics, noting that President Lulabs predecessor, PSDB President Fernando Henrique Cardoso, also tried to influence his neighborsb politics. Brazil, Albuquerque stated, blocked a coup against President Wasmosy of Paraguay in 1996 and pressured President Fujimori to resign in Peru in 2000. These moves, though representing a departure from strict non-intervention, were low profile, supported bmid-term negotiated solutionsb and clearly had the object of preserving democracy as their goal. The Lula administration has changed this logic, becoming an open protagonist for Zelaya, a man whose democratic credentials are questionable. This may work well in the short term, Albuquerque said, but if the policy proves costly, Brazilian public opinion could react against it. Brazil, unlike the other BRICs, has suffered no threats to its borders and, consequently, there is no popular consensus to support costly foreign interventions. PT Reps Defend the Policy as Principle, Zelaya as bFamilyb

¶5. (SBU) PT reps Rui Falcao and Jose Americo both stated flatly that, even though the GOB was likely bset upb by Chavez, a PT government had to defend Zelaya as a matter of principle. As a party whose leaders had suffered under a former military regime, the Lula administration could not turn its back on Zelaya. Had it done so, the partybs base would have reacted strongly. Americo, in particular, acknowledged that Zelayabs own record had its blemishes, but he countered by saying that Zelaya was like ba bad son-in-law,b though he might cause trouble, he was still bfamilyb and the PT was obliged to come to his aid. Honduras is Not the Point

¶6. (SBU) Beyond family ties, Falcao and Americo both argued Honduras as a possible tipping point for Central America. The PT has a bsocial democraticb (i.e. non-Chavez) vision for Latin America, and Zelayabs successful overthrow could have undermined two other key elected Central American leaders who fit into this: Mauricio Funes in El Salvador and Alvaro Colom in Guatemala. (Note: Americo noted several connections between El Salvadorbs President Funes and Brazil. He reminded Poloff that Funesb spouse is Brazilian and a member of the PT, said that Funes had visited Sao Paulo in August, and described how Funes had recently promoted a certain Colonel DbAvila in the Salvadoran Army, bumping him up over several other officers. This last, if correct, suggested a rather surprising level of detailed knowledge of Salvadoran politics for a state-level Brazilian politician. End Note.) Both PT reps stated that Funes and Colom had won recent elections by narrow margins. If Zelayabs deposition had remained unopposed, the U.S.-trained armies in their countries might have felt tempted to try something similar. The PT reps saw this as possible even under President Obama because, in their view, the Pentagon has its own agenda. Americo justified the vigorous defense of Zelaya, saying that bdespite the good intentions of President Obama and Secretary Clinton, the Pentagon apparatus can enforce its own agendab in the region, and so a vigorous defense of Zelaya was required.

Comment: 7. (C) Foreign Policy does not rate highly on the list of most Braziliansb concerns. As such, the GOB can generally do what it wants in places like Honduras, so long as there are no significant economic or human costs to the policy. PT insiders notions of Central American dominos could be significant. While some dose of anti-Pentagon paranoia figured in their statements, it is clear that at least for some in the PT base, Brazil should act as a patron for democratically elected left-oriented regimes in Central America, a region that, heretofore, has lain outside Brazilbs traditional sphere of influence.

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brazilian press

this article i found on o globo is interesting, on how they textualize the situation. noticed is from bbc brasil that o globo, private media in brazil, outsourced about zelaya.

http://oglobo.globo.com/mundo/mat/2010/11/30/para-zelaya-vazamentos-most...

i think that although there was division, in brazil, is clear that there is an interest on doing something, the differences are about the degree of interference brasilia should have, but they like to have influence. So the article serves to illustrate that the honduras issue is on their media, even mainstream. I remember when we were in marches by 2009 when zelaya was in the embassy, exactly when the city hall decided to forbid the marches, there were around 3 or 4 groups of brazilian journalist from mainstream, not the usual left coverage, but O globo and others...

For Honduras it is very important to have Brazil involved cause historically the extreme weight of the USA in honduras diplomatic agenda has being very negative for us. we have to have the right to relate to other nations of the world, this of course scares the ruling elites in Honduras.

I've parsed a cable or two, as well

See here.

I understand the cable you present perhaps a little differently. Certainly the left is going to see a coup against a fellow leftist as more threatening than the right will. But consider the role of the State Department. Its representatives are not supposed to care about the domestic politics of these nations per se. If they are doing their jobs, they are supposed to focus on how developments threaten US influence or offer opportunities for extending influence.

Between the lines, all of these sources are saying that the US non-response has strengthened the hand of Hugo Chavez, who the US and apparently Brazil view as an enemy, or at least a problem. The cable says that Brazil would prefer not to be involved in regional politics, but that there is now a push from the PT to engage, basically because the US has failed to act in defense of the rule of law. In the context of the cables that I analyzed, it seems to me that Brazil has concluded at very senior levels that the US is incapable of performing its traditional role as hemispheric hegemon and that Brazil must therefore supplement or supplant it.

I'll be very interested to see discussion on just how mainstream those experts are. The actions of the Brazilian embassy toward Zelaya seemed to me to be the only recognition by a state actor in the course of the coup of how serious the dictatorship's assault on international law had been. The only similar incident that I can think of was the seizure of the American embassy by Iranian students in 1979, and we thought that one was pretty d--ned important.

Gruppendenken blowback

"Between the lines, all of these sources are saying that the US non-response has strengthened the hand of Hugo Chavez... I'll be very interested to see discussion on just how mainstream those experts are."

Indeed, because this memo could very easily be a case of Gruppendenken blowback, if I can coin a new term for that very old subgenre of the sociology of knowledge in which one appeals to apriori like-minded outside "experts" in order to (knowingly or unconsciously) reinforce one's own preconceptions. A species of tunnel vision, where the tunnel is of one's own digging.

Realists at Foggy Bottom must be much more worried about losing further leverage in Brasil (the only BRIC in this hemisphere) than about regaining any in Venezuela (one of many fungible OPECs).